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		<title>By: Robert Sharp &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Unleash the Analogies</title>
		<link>http://www.robertsharp.co.uk/2006/07/01/our-fateful-day/#comment-102960</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Sharp &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Unleash the Analogies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 16:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8216;Sport and War&#8217; is the subject of one of my favourite of my own blog posts: July 1st, Our Fateful Day. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8216;Sport and War&#8217; is the subject of one of my favourite of my own blog posts: July 1st, Our Fateful Day. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lynne Turner</title>
		<link>http://www.robertsharp.co.uk/2006/07/01/our-fateful-day/#comment-15534</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynne Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have just seen ther extract of the diary of your great-uncle. I am the archivist at the King's School Ely and have written a book about the history of the school where he and his older brother were pupils. Roland's story is featured in the book and we have many pictures of him as a schooboy here. If you are interested in coming to see them at some point please contact me.
Lynne Turner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have just seen ther extract of the diary of your great-uncle. I am the archivist at the King&#8217;s School Ely and have written a book about the history of the school where he and his older brother were pupils. Roland&#8217;s story is featured in the book and we have many pictures of him as a schooboy here. If you are interested in coming to see them at some point please contact me.<br />
Lynne Turner.</p>
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		<title>By: Granny Rose</title>
		<link>http://www.robertsharp.co.uk/2006/07/01/our-fateful-day/#comment-6029</link>
		<dc:creator>Granny Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jul 2006 08:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lovely piece Rob. Quite suddenly your last line made me cry.
Clarice's response raises interesting questions. I think that perhaps biologically we are endowed with an aggressive instinct which was necessary at an earlier time in mans history and now has to be directed elsewhere, or as they say sublimated. And yes its not about winning or losing but how you play the game, we all need to remember that. Sadly I think this attitude has been blamed for a lack of success in british sport and so fallen out of favour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lovely piece Rob. Quite suddenly your last line made me cry.<br />
Clarice&#8217;s response raises interesting questions. I think that perhaps biologically we are endowed with an aggressive instinct which was necessary at an earlier time in mans history and now has to be directed elsewhere, or as they say sublimated. And yes its not about winning or losing but how you play the game, we all need to remember that. Sadly I think this attitude has been blamed for a lack of success in british sport and so fallen out of favour.</p>
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		<title>By: Clarice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clarice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jul 2006 00:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the "football as war" analogy is interesting.  For our generation, and our parents', the experience of WWs 1 and 2 was not a reality.  Uncle Roland's diary is a testament to that reality, one which thankfully is foreign to us now.  The application of the analogy today, and the pleasure derived from engaging in an interest to which such an analogy is deemed apt tells me something about human/male/english nature.   

I shall lay aside for a moment the insult to the memory of those who fought and died and were maimed and/or bereaved in the course of our war-time history, that such an analogy entails...  The idea of heroes, of national pride, of domination, of defeating one's opponent, of courage, daring, skill, and endurance under attack - all these things apply both to war-time and to football.  Does football then fulfill a need in our psyche in the absence of a war?  And is that need something which really should be fed?  If this is what we need (to defeat another) to feel good about ourselves, then maybe something is amiss.  If our very self-esteem depends on the subjugation of another, then I don't think that is terribly edifying, or ethical.

England may have been defeated today, but to my eyes, they still played a tremendous game, under less than ideal circumstances, and that is something the players (and we, on their behalf) can be proud of (not counting Wayne Chav Rooney).  Why does it have to be about winning and losing, and not about how we play the game?

I also think it is interesting (and perhaps convenient) that the war-time references relate to wars where England was not the aggressor.  Would we use the same metaphors had we been playing against Iraq, for example?  Is it a convenience or a coincidence that the war-time metaphors make no reference to our wars of aggression?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the &#8220;football as war&#8221; analogy is interesting.  For our generation, and our parents&#8217;, the experience of WWs 1 and 2 was not a reality.  Uncle Roland&#8217;s diary is a testament to that reality, one which thankfully is foreign to us now.  The application of the analogy today, and the pleasure derived from engaging in an interest to which such an analogy is deemed apt tells me something about human/male/english nature.   </p>
<p>I shall lay aside for a moment the insult to the memory of those who fought and died and were maimed and/or bereaved in the course of our war-time history, that such an analogy entails&#8230;  The idea of heroes, of national pride, of domination, of defeating one&#8217;s opponent, of courage, daring, skill, and endurance under attack - all these things apply both to war-time and to football.  Does football then fulfill a need in our psyche in the absence of a war?  And is that need something which really should be fed?  If this is what we need (to defeat another) to feel good about ourselves, then maybe something is amiss.  If our very self-esteem depends on the subjugation of another, then I don&#8217;t think that is terribly edifying, or ethical.</p>
<p>England may have been defeated today, but to my eyes, they still played a tremendous game, under less than ideal circumstances, and that is something the players (and we, on their behalf) can be proud of (not counting Wayne Chav Rooney).  Why does it have to be about winning and losing, and not about how we play the game?</p>
<p>I also think it is interesting (and perhaps convenient) that the war-time references relate to wars where England was not the aggressor.  Would we use the same metaphors had we been playing against Iraq, for example?  Is it a convenience or a coincidence that the war-time metaphors make no reference to our wars of aggression?</p>
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