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	<title>Comments on: A Matter of Principle?</title>
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	<description>Everyone has a right to my opinions</description>
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		<title>By: DE</title>
		<link>http://www.robertsharp.co.uk/2008/06/13/a-matter-of-principle/#comment-133363</link>
		<dc:creator>DE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 00:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just passed by Holburn Viaduct and saw one of the road restrictions that formed the old "ring of steel" to protect the City of London.  That was a knee jerk response to Paddys driving into the city with bombs. 

Of course, there is no policeman standing in the little cabin now, partly because the IRA are no longer active and partly because the bobby has been replaced by large cameras.

The relentless reaction politics isn't likely to destroy liberty (the law is too cumbersome for that) but it just reinforces to the public that "Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just passed by Holburn Viaduct and saw one of the road restrictions that formed the old &#8220;ring of steel&#8221; to protect the City of London.  That was a knee jerk response to Paddys driving into the city with bombs. </p>
<p>Of course, there is no policeman standing in the little cabin now, partly because the IRA are no longer active and partly because the bobby has been replaced by large cameras.</p>
<p>The relentless reaction politics isn&#8217;t likely to destroy liberty (the law is too cumbersome for that) but it just reinforces to the public that &#8220;Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Grannie Rose</title>
		<link>http://www.robertsharp.co.uk/2008/06/13/a-matter-of-principle/#comment-133352</link>
		<dc:creator>Grannie Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 08:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fully agree with Clarice's  point about someone being able to change his or her mind and "see the light"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fully agree with Clarice&#8217;s  point about someone being able to change his or her mind and &#8220;see the light&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Grannie Rose</title>
		<link>http://www.robertsharp.co.uk/2008/06/13/a-matter-of-principle/#comment-133351</link>
		<dc:creator>Grannie Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 08:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am inclined to give David Davies the benefit of the doubt. He may well have a big ego and may have some kind of ulterior motive but all credit to him for trying to stimulate the public into really thinking what the 42 days mean. There will always have to be a balance and the number of days will to some extent be arbitrary(do you remember the argument about how many violins in the orchestra Rob?)but at some point you must draw the line and stop turning up the heat on the poor frog. The government argue that the public are for 42 days so something must be done to inform them. We need a less supine electorate who take more interest in what is being done on their behalf. I guess most people think that they will never fall foul of the 42 days but anyone who has been locked in a police sell even for a few hours knows how traumatising that can be. So 42 days? We must halt the rot and then begin to move the number of days downwards. i am puzzled that there has been no mention of the fact that with the extension of the days you remove some of the motivation and impetus on the police to get their act together as quickly as possible</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am inclined to give David Davies the benefit of the doubt. He may well have a big ego and may have some kind of ulterior motive but all credit to him for trying to stimulate the public into really thinking what the 42 days mean. There will always have to be a balance and the number of days will to some extent be arbitrary(do you remember the argument about how many violins in the orchestra Rob?)but at some point you must draw the line and stop turning up the heat on the poor frog. The government argue that the public are for 42 days so something must be done to inform them. We need a less supine electorate who take more interest in what is being done on their behalf. I guess most people think that they will never fall foul of the 42 days but anyone who has been locked in a police sell even for a few hours knows how traumatising that can be. So 42 days? We must halt the rot and then begin to move the number of days downwards. i am puzzled that there has been no mention of the fact that with the extension of the days you remove some of the motivation and impetus on the police to get their act together as quickly as possible</p>
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		<title>By: Cleanthes</title>
		<link>http://www.robertsharp.co.uk/2008/06/13/a-matter-of-principle/#comment-133347</link>
		<dc:creator>Cleanthes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 22:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;"It seems spectacularly unfair on people who were right first time around."&lt;/em&gt;

Well that depends on the degree of sin and repentance. I think the idea is that if the sin is pretty bad, the repentance - the full realisation of what you have done - is vastly worse. That is, if it is true repentance.

If it's not true repentance, it doesn't count and there's no rejoicing. I think...

As for Davies, that's a good spot. I offer the following, very hesitantly, in his defence. I suspect that, &lt;em&gt;at the time&lt;/em&gt;, the Tories were at a relatively low ebb, without the benefit of a decent lead in the polls, without the benefit of facing an entirely hollowed out PM, and without the confidence that the general public really worried about it at the bottom end. Thus, whilst they could be confident that 90 days would fail at the top end, they couldn't be nearly so confident that they would be able to encourage the kind of serious labour rebellion at the bottom end. Thus, be pragmatic, show that you understand the gravity of problem so as to appear reasonable in order to paint the 90 days as outrageous, thereby giving cover for it to fail.

The problem is that this leads to frog boiling. However, now that they DO have all the circumstances they lacked in 2005, they &lt;em&gt;still&lt;/em&gt; failed to stop this in its tracks. Now is the time, then, to turn up the heat and show exactly what this government has done to us in our name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;It seems spectacularly unfair on people who were right first time around.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Well that depends on the degree of sin and repentance. I think the idea is that if the sin is pretty bad, the repentance - the full realisation of what you have done - is vastly worse. That is, if it is true repentance.</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s not true repentance, it doesn&#8217;t count and there&#8217;s no rejoicing. I think&#8230;</p>
<p>As for Davies, that&#8217;s a good spot. I offer the following, very hesitantly, in his defence. I suspect that, <em>at the time</em>, the Tories were at a relatively low ebb, without the benefit of a decent lead in the polls, without the benefit of facing an entirely hollowed out PM, and without the confidence that the general public really worried about it at the bottom end. Thus, whilst they could be confident that 90 days would fail at the top end, they couldn&#8217;t be nearly so confident that they would be able to encourage the kind of serious labour rebellion at the bottom end. Thus, be pragmatic, show that you understand the gravity of problem so as to appear reasonable in order to paint the 90 days as outrageous, thereby giving cover for it to fail.</p>
<p>The problem is that this leads to frog boiling. However, now that they DO have all the circumstances they lacked in 2005, they <em>still</em> failed to stop this in its tracks. Now is the time, then, to turn up the heat and show exactly what this government has done to us in our name.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I'm slightly wary of the "more joy in heaven" thing.  It seems spectacularly unfair on people who were right first time around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I&#8217;m slightly wary of the &#8220;more joy in heaven&#8221; thing.  It seems spectacularly unfair on people who were right first time around.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hah!  Maybe that's true.

The thing is, these liberty vs security arguments are as old as the hills (or at least, as old as the Magna Carta).  Its not as if some new twist on the issue has come to light that would explain the change.  

Nor is he claiming a Damascene conversion.  In fact, he's being quite sanctimonious about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hah!  Maybe that&#8217;s true.</p>
<p>The thing is, these liberty vs security arguments are as old as the hills (or at least, as old as the Magna Carta).  Its not as if some new twist on the issue has come to light that would explain the change.  </p>
<p>Nor is he claiming a Damascene conversion.  In fact, he&#8217;s being quite sanctimonious about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Clarice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clarice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever happened to "more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents"...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever happened to &#8220;more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents&#8221;&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: Clarice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clarice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So he's not allowed to see sense then, or change his mind?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So he&#8217;s not allowed to see sense then, or change his mind?</p>
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