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	<title>Comments on: Mobius Tube</title>
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		<title>By: james</title>
		<link>http://www.robertsharp.co.uk/2009/03/21/mobius-tube/comment-page-1/#comment-134507</link>
		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found myself thinking about the same sort of thing a couple of months ago, only about the crossover between Shepherd&#039;s Bush and White City. These sites seemed to cover that in a bit more detail...

http://www.trainweb.org/tubeprune/Woodlane%20whitecity.htm
and http://underground-history.co.uk/front.php

seems mostly that they crossover either because the track had junctions that forced it to run under or over the track they now use, allow for easier cornering, or to avoid tunnelling through something they don&#039;t want or can&#039;t go through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found myself thinking about the same sort of thing a couple of months ago, only about the crossover between Shepherd&#8217;s Bush and White City. These sites seemed to cover that in a bit more detail&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.trainweb.org/tubeprune/Woodlane%20whitecity.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.trainweb.org/tubeprune/Woodlane%20whitecity.htm</a><br />
and <a href="http://underground-history.co.uk/front.php" rel="nofollow">http://underground-history.co.uk/front.php</a></p>
<p>seems mostly that they crossover either because the track had junctions that forced it to run under or over the track they now use, allow for easier cornering, or to avoid tunnelling through something they don&#8217;t want or can&#8217;t go through.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s what I&#039;m talking about!

What exactly is a Quail Track diagram though?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s what I&#8217;m talking about!</p>
<p>What exactly is a Quail Track diagram though?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 13:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Track maps produce a complete set of railway diagrams in 5 volumes inclding London and the south east - thier website is www.trackmaps.co.uk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Track maps produce a complete set of railway diagrams in 5 volumes inclding London and the south east &#8211; thier website is <a href="http://www.trackmaps.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.trackmaps.co.uk</a></p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Matt, but I&#039;m looking for one in more detail, which actually shows the tracks, junctions, points, that sort of thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Matt, but I&#8217;m looking for one in more detail, which actually shows the tracks, junctions, points, that sort of thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.robertsharp.co.uk/2009/03/21/mobius-tube/comment-page-1/#comment-134500</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 09:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>here&#039;s one: http://solo2.abac.com/themole/geog.gif ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>here&#8217;s one: <a href="http://solo2.abac.com/themole/geog.gif" rel="nofollow">http://solo2.abac.com/themole/geog.gif</a> &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Clarice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clarice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 11:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, this happens at various points on the system.  I have often wondered about it, but not being very good at maths or spatial reasoning, the only explanation that I have thought of is to work in three dimensions.  That is to say that the crossing-over occurs where one line goes above the other, for evolutionary, geophysical or other reasons.  

Obviously, both directions have to be at the same vertical level in stations (except for eg the central line at Notting Hill, where they are not), but outside of stations, anything is possible.

Another more simpler explanation that occurs to me could be that the lines actually touch eachother, ie they share a portion of the track, which is controlled by points.  In this case, the cross-over is fairly straight-forward, even if the control of train-traffic at that section is a logisitical nightmare.

Then there are the fourth and fifth dimensions of tube travel, but that is another story altogether.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, this happens at various points on the system.  I have often wondered about it, but not being very good at maths or spatial reasoning, the only explanation that I have thought of is to work in three dimensions.  That is to say that the crossing-over occurs where one line goes above the other, for evolutionary, geophysical or other reasons.  </p>
<p>Obviously, both directions have to be at the same vertical level in stations (except for eg the central line at Notting Hill, where they are not), but outside of stations, anything is possible.</p>
<p>Another more simpler explanation that occurs to me could be that the lines actually touch eachother, ie they share a portion of the track, which is controlled by points.  In this case, the cross-over is fairly straight-forward, even if the control of train-traffic at that section is a logisitical nightmare.</p>
<p>Then there are the fourth and fifth dimensions of tube travel, but that is another story altogether.</p>
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